Hello. I'm Eficiente, I did 99% of the Kirby research on VS Battles wiki. I wrote all the blogs we use to explain everything about the series. I would go as far as to consider myself the number 1 Vs Debates expert on the Kirby series, and I always know when someone makes an error about the series.
Then they moved their work into a different page and deleted their original blog, and so my comment got deleted. I could have left things at that, but people doing Vs everywhere kept spreading misinformation from their work over and over, and from time to time I like to engage on that and tell them what's wrong. I used to just tell them "Go check my comment on the blog", but now the blog is deleted.
https://g1-team.com/2025/01/16/death-battle-predictions-galacta-knight-vs-vergil/
>"It is heavily implied that Galacta Knight was one of the main forces who did battle long ago against the dark god of destruction, Void Termina, and sealed the evil being away. In doing this, Galacta Knight would also have set the stage for Kirby to triumph over Void as well through the Heart Spears, enabling the future defender of Popstar to take down Termina once and for all."
>"Eons in the past, the dark deity Void Termina threatened to annihilate everything in existence with the powers of darkness."
>"never threatening the cosmos again until Hyness cracked the seal"
>"they hold all the strength that was once used to take down Void Termina"
>"Strongly implied to be directly responsible for the original defeat and sealing of Void Termina and its cult of followers" + "Defeated Star Dream, Parallel Nightmare, and likely Hyness and Void Termina"
>"The ultimate enemy of all that is light and good in existence, Void Termina was long ago sealed away by the Ancients, and it is highly implied that Galacta Knight had a direct role in this victory over the Destroyer of Worlds."
This is inaccurate.
Void is an ever-reincarnating entity, Void Termina is the name of the reincarnation shown in Kirby Star Allies.
"Void" is always "Void", whether he is dead and dreaming w/o a body, or when born with a body and with a new name. But "Void Termina" is only the name of the incarnation Void had during the events of Kirby Star Allies' Story Mode.
A new Void is born in that story, Hyness literally says happy birthday, that Void has a new life and soul, Void Termina battles, dies there, and then there is no more Void Termina. (Nintendo Dream magazine issue of July, 2018, Hyness's Jpn. rant)
The Void incarnation killed and sealed before in ancient times had an unknown name, same as how the next Void incarnation will have an unknown new name.
We have no idea how powerful the prior incarnation of Void was, more or less: There is no reason to believe he was as powerful as Void Termina, bc Void Termina was created with the sole purpose of destroying the universe by amassing only dark power into its vessel, which is implied to be done in an unnatural manner (with Void's soul reacting weirdly to his own darkness, and all the time, dedication, and evil it took Hyness to do this ritual). Any incarnation of Void has darkness for sure, being the original ancestor of the every substance, let alone the substance of darkness. And the substance of darkness is vaguely a form of power, but Void Termina would have more to an insane degree. We don't know if their soul physiology/"being the same entity reincarnated" naturally makes them even in power.
You could argue that the prior incarnation of Void is on GK's lv if we assume GK was one of the heroes who fought it, if they fought by trading blows, and if this was done at the peak of GK's growth as a warrior. We know the Spears of the Heart are on Star Allies Kirby's lv, and that should be on the same lv as the heroes even if they created them as a team effort. So there is some fair scaling there, aside from stacking assumptions here and there.
Point is, the prior Void incarnation is not as notable on its own as it wasn't trying to destroy the universe. It was just procreating darkness around. Could we assume it was a final boss-like showdown, and that the prior Void incarnation was super evil and destructive? Ig, but the degree of how destructive he was would be unknown.
We don't even know if this Void was evil per say, fun as it might be to say he was: He was creating darkness, sure. But "darkness" isn't always evil, see Gooey and Noir Dedede. To call him the "ultimate enemy of all that is light and good in existence" is so wrong.
>"He has not diverged from these tasks, though usually not without obliterating the villain foolish enough to summon him for their twisted purposes"
A smaller disagreement over GK's characterization. GK was a hero, or at least seen as a hero. But for whatever reason, in the present every time we see him, he's a villain. His rampage on the Dream Kingdom threatened the world, and Bandana Dee and a Nintendo post implied he would come back in the future to do the same in the future. He's described as facing endless battles, but nobody is forcing him to battle. Sure, people aim to make him fight at times, but that's it. He fights bc he feels like fighting by himself, going berserk (Kirby_JP Twitter, post of Sep 15, 2020), never choosing other options. And he destroys bc he doesn't care, it's not like we know he can't control his power or anything.
There is no reason to believe he attacked Star Dream and Parallel Nightmare out of heroism rather than how Star Dream and Parallel Nightmare made themselves enemies to GK. In fact, this was said about the Star Dream case: "The reason why Galactic Knight slashes "Star Dream" after its appearance is clear: Because he was forcibly transported through time and space, he recognized 'Star Dream' as an enemy. As a result, it is a performance that is appropriate for the belligerent Galactic Knight." (the Jpn. Miiverse posts of 2016/8/25, the Q&A called Kirby: Planet Robobot Ask-a-thon 2, 8th comment).
You can assume maybe heroics were on his mind, but it's a generous interpretation: Again P. Nightmare, if he cares about heroics, why is he destroying everything around? In the Star Dream's case, we just didn't get to see him deliver on the promise of destruction, but that was very much on the table. It's easier to assume he simply acts out of self-interest rather than being "a hero who would destroy 1 bad guy to then destroy the world".
Part of where this originally came from in the Kirby famdom was from fans trying to enrich the narrative by making up how GK was unfairly sealed, similar to how fans made up how Hyness's cult was unfairly sealed. In the latter case, no, they were evil f*cks. In GK's case, sure, we technically don't know if he was evil when sealed. But we do know how he always acts evil when unsealed, so, I feel it's not appropriate to leave up in the air if GK was wronged and betrayed when sealed. Could his character go that direction in the future? For sure, something like that. But as it is, he's a simpler character than that. He's an evil crashout.
>"Galacta Knight [...] was considered to be the most capable fighter of even the Ancients, an extremely powerful group that created things like the Star Rod and the Master Crown. Even amongst all of these absurdly powerful items and those who created them to begin with, it was Galacta Knight specifically that was powerful and skilled enough to be feared by all the others, signifying an incredible amount of ability even amongst a group already notorious for their prowess in a wide array of fields."
There is no reason to believe Galacta Knight was active and unsealed during the time of the ancients. That's pure fan theory to have fun with the setting. The ancients existed in the past and collapsed. GK existed in the past and was sealed.
In fact, thanks to the Forgotten Land sequel with the overly long name (which came out after the og blog was made), it is now vaguely implied that the Starries may have been the ones to seal GK. The Starries are no ancients, they are their own alien group traveling time and space. The ancients could have very well collapsed before GK was born, having nothing to do with how he was sealed, or the other way around, or they could have existed at the same time in different universes, or they could have existed together as you imply. We don't know. Let alone can you claim the ancients viewed him as their "most capable fighter", GK wasn't even an ancient, you made that up.
You would think maybe the ancients were a single species and not a multi-species group. It could be either option but you chose to be certain of the latter interpretation for no reason.
We have little context as to why GK was sealed other than his power, there is no "[GK] was powerful and skilled enough to be feared by all the others, signifying an incredible amount of ability [...] in a wide array of fields". Even if GK and the ancients existed together, and even if GK was an ancient, the ancients would just fear him for his power. That's it.
There is no "it was Galacta Knight specifically", if anything, I could more easily say that the ancients feared the Master Crown more, writing warnings about it, and it being left to Landia's care, which may or may not be bc of the ancients. That's vague, but way way more implied than this bs you're claiming with GK. (The ancients could have left the crown to Landia's care, Landia could have came to do that himself, and some 3rd party did it. It's just those 3 options.)
The fear over GK, whoever feared him, is very much implied to be bc of the reckless, destructive use of his power, which would require acknowledgment over how he's an evil character (Covered above). For all we know, other people could have been around as powerful as GK, if weaker, but w/o being evil. Point being, it's not like "they were all saints and they went after GK bc he was too special, and that awesomeness put the fear of God onto everyone". They probably "went after him bc he was problematic, aside from being pretty special". Call this paragraph a small distinction, but it takes away part of the exaggeration.
>"the four heroes, who used their knowledge and science to seal the creature away."
This is made up. The heroes were not ancients and did not focus on knowledge and science. They could create spears that could seal Void bc they had that ability, and that's that. There isn't much to say from my part, but don't let that take away from how much of an insane claim it is to affirm the heroes had skills they never showed and were never implied to have.
>"It only took a total of 4 Heart Spears to seal and nullify Void Termina and his dark powers away indefinitely, never threatening the cosmos again until Hyness cracked the seal. Even this required extreme preparation, and he still botched the spell to the point that it required numerous sacrifices (also known as himself and the Three Mage Sisters) to finish the job and break Void out of his seal. [...] The heart spears also seem able to undo sealing entirely, immediately breaking Hyness free from the Jamba Heart."
This is an understandable error, being a common misconception. Beats me how this was overlooked when we had a Jamba Heart VS Battles profile, but whatever. The Jamba Heart is not the seal, the Jamba Heart is the vessel of Void. The energy sphere Hyness destroys at the start of the story is the seal. Void re-forms a Jamba Heart when reviving, as shown in Heroes in Another Dimension, and Void gets reduced as a Jamba Heart when killed by the heroes; We know that prior Void died bc he needed to be revived into a new life with a new soul. He wasn't just sealed.
Let's look at KIRBY STAR ALLIES THE ORIGINAL ART BOOK, page 157:
About the complete Jamba Heart, it states: "It is a crystal made from the Dark Hearts and serves as a vessel for the revival of the Destruction God. It contains a vast amount of evil energy. It was sealed away by the Heart Spears, but it shattered and flew dispersed across various places due to the failure of the ritual." (Translated)
How can the Jamba Heart be sealed if you guys claim the Jamba Heart is the seal? Bc it isn't the seal.
Then we have the DESIGNER'S NOTE and images around. The images show many Jamba Hearts with many different kinds of ideas for how the source of its sealing show be made. Then the DESIGNER'S NOTE states: "Also, we are considering several methods to seal away the Jamba Heart. While the chains in the design of the Jamba Heart gave a good sense of being sealed, we received feedback that the heart was not prominent enough, so we decided to hold off on it." (Translated)
So again, it is the Jamba Heart the one that needs to be sealed away, bc the Jamba Heart is not the seal by itself.
I mean what were you guys thinking the sphere around the Jamba Heart was if not the sealing? A museum glass? A double layer of sealing, different-looking than the first one?
>"Galacta Knight is able to summon massive numbers of these weapons at will, let alone the 4 used to seal away Void."
>"But it’s not like he needs to aim, as the heart spears are capable of moving and attacking on their own. You might be asking how? Well that’s because the fighting spirit of the four heroes have infected all the heart spears and made it so that they’d continue fighting and sealing any enemy that’s a threat."
Something of a smaller disagreement: In theory, GK (Dark) should be able to create these sealing spears. ..Sure.. But we don't know if this is something he was only able to do as a good person (which he certainly isn't anymore) or as a team effort with the other heroes. And the narrative in Star Allies supports this idea:
- A good person: "The story of this work revolves around the Friends [Star Allies], who are a team full of heart, and Hyness, who has abandoned his heart and fallen into darkness — this contrast is also a theme." - Kirby Nintendo Switch News Channel, Jpn. post of 9/20/2018 - It's implied the Star Allies and the spears use the unknown "substance of heart", whereas it's confirmed the villains use the substance of darkness (See all about Kirby substances here!), and it's implied they're opposites. And these are not the type of things you can just claim to possess, your actions and most likely your mindset forms it for those not naturally born with those talents, hence Friend Actions trigger it for the Star Allies. With GK no longer being a good person / hero, his state of mind may be worse than that of the Star Allies. Thus, he may not long be able to use the sealing power of his spears. Then again, Star Allies include evil characters like DMK, Marx, Magolor, and Susie, so would this counter that idea? Maybe, idk.
- Team effort: In Star Allies, many activities and powers were only achieved via team efforts called Friend Actions, granting Star Allies some abilities they cannot do by themselves alone. As a general idea, this is true, even if some parts of the Friend Actions are game mechanics, namely the platforms needed for it, which Hyness and the Mage-Sisters don't need for their own version of the Friend Circle (Odd as it might be, given that the Friend Hearts created those platforms and that they're real things in-universe). It's possible the sealing powers of the spears come as a result of a team effort with the other heroes. Think about it, there are 4 spears impaling the Jamba Heart, you would think it's 1 per hero, right? Why assume 1 hero can do the same by themselves? Sure, GK can create many, many spears, but the spears the other heroes created may have their own properties, or they may need to work alongside the other spears to trigger sealing.
Related to this, let's look at the Twinkle Star Allies Jpn. description: "The secret treasure "Twinkle Star Allies" was born from the kind Spears of the Heart. I want to save everyone in this galaxy...! The wish turns into a sparkling star and now opposes... the final enemy!!" Kind Spears of the Heart? Are they still kind with GK being evil? Like hell they would be. Is the implied turn-wish-into-reality property the Star Allies have literal? If so, I would not assume it would kick in w/o wishing good things, and I would assume GK's powers work similarly (with the Star Allies having been granted similar powers and all), and GK doesn't care to save the galaxy anymore. He's a threat to the galaxy, if anything.
It's worth asking yourself, "what assumes less given the information we have?" And then there is a massive problem: GK has used the spears against Team Kirby. If hit, the spears don't seal them. Is this bc GK doesn't use sealing in-character and wants a brawl? Or bc he can't use sealing? Who knows.
I'm even more willing to say that this team work and such is needed to make the spears alive, and that they were only able to do so against Void, not foes in general. When you say "because the fighting spirit of the four heroes have infected all the heart spears", the link is about Void Termina (Kinda weird it doesn't say "Void" there, but it's the novel, so it's whatever). If anything, you would think the heroes were hyper-motivated to stop Void, and thus spears have those wishes, not being standard for all enemies. Maybe those implied turn-wish-into-reality properties were at play.
Or maybe that's part of what their "anti-Void power" refers to (Nintendo Dream magazine issue of July, 2018).
(Now, for those who don't know, the Spears of the Heart have something called an "anti-Void power". See GK's VS Battles profile: It's not Void kryptonite per say, it only harms Void a little bit. And no wording implies the sealing would only work on Void. But what the "anti-Void power" is remains vague, and it's possible it refers to the spears' willingness to attack Void specifically, not "any enemy that’s a threat" in general. It could just as easily be generational trauma for having harmed and sealed Void before, with the little bit of extra damage being all in Void's head, his subconscious remembering things before his life as Void Termina and all.)
>"The Friend hearts are so potent it was able to affect Jammerjab; a guy who was at first completely emotionless and soulless, but once he got struck by the heart he suddenly gained both of these. "
Sure, sure, but the novel is being a little poetic. The guy wasn't literally soulless as in, w/o a soul, and he was emotionless, but not to any degree that would grant him any resistance to Emotion Manip. These are things worth pointing out.
>"Given Galacta Knight is equipped with a seemingly limitless arsenal of them, he should be capable of mimicking these powers on a massively upgraded scale. This includes converting targets to his side in battle, causing them to rain down from the sky in hordes, or seal his enemies and their powers away forever."
Other than my prior points, I can agree that GK (Dark) should be able to use Friend Hearts (Either that or he can bestow such powers w/o having them himself). That said, the Star Allies Sparkler was a fusion of the spears with the Friend Star, with the Friend Star being created by Kirby & 3 Star Allies as a Friend Ability, one of those actions that very much needs team work to be done. That's not about power, it's that the nature of the ability demands companions to create the weapon with those abilities, let alone a fusion with the spears. So no, GK doesn't have the powers of the Star Allies Sparkler by himself alone.
The light hearts/Friend Hearts rained down bc the spears shattered, and the spears were made of those hearts. But GK can't rain down many Friend Hearts at once like he can with the spears. He can rain down 20 spears, and you know, the spears have similar properties, but they seem to have a different function. One would think this is implied as well, no? With "a heart being peace and love" and "a spear being a tool for war"?
>"Rage Aura"
>"Galacta Knight passively emits an aura around him that can induce madness and anger, spurred by the warrior’s drive to do battle and fight. The aura can drive even honorable warriors like Meta Knight and his soldiers into a blind fury and will to battle whatever is around them into a fight at a moment’s notice, clouding their judgment and making them behave with far more aggression and wrath. It should be noted that more innocent beings like Kirby or those disinterested in the situation like King Dedede seem to be capable of resisting it to some degree, albeit not with complete perfection. Galacta Knight himself controls the aura to some extent, fighting with the same precision and skill he always uses without his mind being clouded."
This whole section is bs. Novel GK doesn't have this.
The plot of this novel is that a kid faked being loyal to the Meta-Knights, then betrayed them, and what we see there is everyone being understandably mad at him. Idk how could you guys possibly miss that, that's like watching Star Wars by just skipping to the lightsaber duel. Novel MK, in turn, is a slightly darker version of games MK: Novel MK used the loss of this kid (faked-out by the kid, unbeknownst to MK) as an excuse to justify to himself bringing out GK just to fight him to gain more power, regardless of the consequences to the galaxy. Near the end of the novel, MK admits this character flaw to Kirby, saying something along the lines that he sometimes wishes power regardless of the consequences, confirming this wasn't a one-time thing.
MK, the hero, could have killed everyone, and he knows this, he knows what he's doing. MK is mad bc he knows deep down what he's doing is wrong, but cannot bring himself to stop. It's not some made-up rage aura GK has. That's why Kirby and Dedede have no reaction to it, there is no "seem to be capable of resisting it to some degree, albeit not with complete perfection". There is no display GK "controling" this non-existent thing even once.
This is just pure lack of media literacy for the sake of giving GK some cool hax, the Kirby novels are the easiest series to get behind, not having secret pause descriptions, lore everywhere, and such. They're just a bunch of light novels made for kids that stand on their own perfectly fine. I don't want to mock this, but I do need to point out that it is very concerning to see, and indicative of bias. Do you guys agree?
(For more info on novels MK being a tad evil: In Meta Knight and the Puppet Princess, MK shows similar questionable morals. He's tasked with recovering a princess by the princess's father, who is absolutely worried. Later on the princess [who is like a kid or teen], says she doesn't want to return, and MK just instantly allows her to do as she pleases if that's what she wants. The princess even threatens to go back to the side of the villain who was controlling her [Maybe she loves that adult man, don't ask], and MK doesn't care. The princess chooses to return, sure, but this is insanely reckless on MK's part. MK would have even allowed the princess to grow up as an evil criminal if that made her happy, that's something a crazy person would do.
It's in line with MK's friendship with Daroach, a criminal. Sure, everyone is friends with criminals in Kirby, but this novel calls this out specifically as a negative for MK, and MK justifies himself with a petty reason, pretty much saying "Daroach is a good criminal, you [the villain of the novel] are a bad criminal".)
>"Both have the problem with an unknown time frame, though with the latter, you can quickly fight his Dark form after his supposed death, and nothing suggests it took him days or hours to recover."
This is not true. If you watch a video called, "Super Kirby Clash, all bosses" or whatever, sure, it looks as if it's all back-to-back-to-back. But it's not. The Team Kirby games (Team Kirby Clash Deluxe and Super Kirby Clash) are free-to-pay games that take months to complete, as missions take resources that grow over time. In-game, characters recognize the passage of time, greeting you on different days and such. In the background, the Gem Apple Tree grows from a seed into a full on tree across a notable fraction of the game. Now granted, that's a supernatural tree, and paying money accelerates its growth.
By paying money, you get the resources and are ready to go into the missions w/o needing to wait boring real time for it. But that's the canon view of things? What assumes less? Clearly, it assumes less that a lot of time has happened. Or you could say it's a mix of paying and not paying. At the very, very least, the story had to happen across days, with the characters being ready to greet you across days, Magolor making Sundays "Magolor day", and such.
>"Now there’s possibly another, as he, just like Fecto Elfilis, got his body and soul absorbed by Morpho Knight, yet he came back in Super Kirby Clash. The problem is we don’t know if he actually got out of Morpho and regenerated his body and soul, as we see Morpho doesn’t eject out his soul, or if Super Kirby Clash is before Star Allies."
Yeah, and that's most likely a parallel GK, not the main universe GK. You know, the modes "Guest Star ???? Star Allies Go!" and "The Ultimate Choice" happen in parallel worlds. The main universe has the main universe GK, and when Bandana Dee and an author statement imply that "GK will show up in the future, and Kirby will stop him!", that's inclined to be the main universe Kirby in the future, fighting the real GK from history books, not a parallel GK.
>"making it all the more likely that victims will fall prey to the full force of Another Dimension"
To be clear, he's not throwing all of Another Dimension at them. Some space from Another Dimension is blasting enemies, limited in scale.
>"Galacta Knight’s potency is to such a degree that he potentially made a massive rift visible in space."
GK's space-cutting ability is that strong, yes. I'm pretty sure that hole is sucking in stars as well. These stars fade in and out, but the event in space may make them do that.
>Thirty Energy Shower
Small thing to say, but I was always against making attack gifs faster than how the actions are in games and media. It seems like an exaggerated portrayal of what they have to give. The Thirty Energy Shower is a tad slower than this, why not just show it as it is? I also dislike ignoring small charging times for attacks, but that's acceptable as gifs can't last forever.
>"And of course, as the Dark Aeon Hero, Galacta Knight switches things up and rains down the far more devastating Heart Spears, ensuring a swift demise of anybody caught by the strike."
Except Team Kirby, the only enemy he's shown to use this against. Again, I can agree that he should be able to seal foes, debatable as that might be. But not with that attack, and thus not in-character.
>"Possibly Spatial Manipulation: The likes of Kirby and Meta Knight are able to take blows from Galacta Knight despite his spatial cutting properties without being sliced apart spatially. This resistance is supported, as they’ve also endured Magolor’s ability to crush space, taking direct hits from the ability. As the source of the power himself and being comparable to his foes, Galacta Knight could be capable of resisting spatial durability negations and manipulations himself."
To use Time World Great Slash, GK needs to charge up his lance. This would imply his every strike doesn't cut space.
Now then, GK did create that giant hole in space in the background during Super Kirby Clash. But we have no context for how the battle played out outside of gameplay:
In general, Kirby characters appear to use their attacks like robots during gameplay, and then further context shows them using those same attacks more creatively. We at least know that the first battles against GK's base form and Light form happened back-to-back, unlike what their missions imply, bc narration implies otherwise after GK's defeat, so gameplay is lying a little (In other words, Kirbys don't battle GK, leave for their town, and then comes back to finish the fight). Maybe the battle moved to the background, GK caused that hole, and then they moved back into the regular battlefield. We also know narration added at least a little bit more than how we saw things in gameplay, saying how the Kirbys felt during battle, for what is worth.
Maybe they didn't move at all, the hole opened, but no space was altered in the regular battlefield beyond GK's Time World Great Slashs. This would go against the idea that fighting GK demanding a resistance against space-cutting abilities, bc space would cut randomly. Even ignoring how this happened in 1 out of like 5 GK fights.
Kirby & co. do resist Space Manip, very much so. Getting hit by the edge of Time World Great Slash doesn't cut them in half if they're partially outside of it. They don't get impaled by Magolor Soul's space spikes. They don't get warped by his Black Hole in Return to Dream Land. They don't get warped by Star Dream Soul OS's Install Hole and how that leaves space afterward, but maybe that doesn't affect targets.
That said, Magolor is not crushing space with that attack. He's creating space or moving space, and using it to crush an area for the attack, but that area doesn't have its space crushed, the area itself is crushed on a regular manner. "Space" in the text means "the area for the attack", not "the fabric of the universe". Now, you could argue that space should be crushed anyway by the fact that the space where you walk around is being crushed by a second layer of space occupying that same space, but it could just as easily work as a physical concussive force simply hitting everything there really hard.
Anyway, Kirby & co. resisting Space Manip is not the same as GK having that same resistance.
- One argument you could make for it is how Magolor was threatened by GK, when Magolor can warp space when coming out of his Dimensional Vanish move as a form of damage, which is one of his common moves, and he should have access to his moves as Magolor Soul, even if he doesn't use them.
- A better argument would be how base Morpho Knight in Star Allies can resist Magolor's Dimensional Vanish in-gameplay, and Morpho Knight uses part of GK's power on top of its own as a butterfly of unknown power and nature. And so, with the butterfly being almost featless, the resistance might have come from GK. Problem is, the butterfly is a notable, supernatural being on its own, so the resistance may be its own even w/o feats. This is debatable, bc they are many of these weird butterflies (Really), and being willing to give them all Resistance to Space Manip via one of them absorbing GK, who can cut space, is its own jump in logic. And so it may be better to say that it is GK the one who can resist space stuff. ..Or maybe being a boss doesn't mean you can resist the hax of the playable characters unless recognized in-lore.
>"Strongly implied to be directly responsible for the original defeat and sealing of Void Termina and its cult of followers" + "Defeated Star Dream, Parallel Nightmare, and likely Hyness and Void Termina"
No, the sealing of Hyness's cult was its own event, happening at an unknown point in time next to the prior Void incarnation producing darkness. Specifically, that Void incarnation was most likely sealed way before Hyness's time. Please read my "Jambastion cult organization analysis" blog, their lore is so confusing and badly written, even a Kirby pro may lost about many things about them.
Hyness said that "everyone" believed the legend of the sealed Jamba Heart was false. Ask yourself, who is everyone? Does it include his own cult that follows him to death? The people of the universe? If Hyness survived that era of time, why no one else in the universe survived to believe the legend is true. And why does Hyness need the book of legends to know more about Void's nature? Aren't you implying he used him as an attack dog before? Anyway, I can't give a short version. Just read the blog above with an opened-mind and everything will fall in place.
>"Has battled through countless eons"
Okay, so, I see you threw around the word "eon" a lot. It's fine in casual talk, in something like the feats section…let's talk about it: The Jpn. versions of everything in Kirby never use it, they just say "ancient" and such. Eon kinda implies many billions of years, and I would not imply as much, but I will say that's entirely possible:
- GK's original era is unknown, it might have been the early days of the universe, given that he's the hero "circulating the beginning" and how the prior incarnation of Void first birthed "darkness" in the universe. But then, what were heroes doing if this were the early days of the universe? So maybe the universe existed fine for a very long time w/o darkness?
- We also know this was a forgotten time by modern Kirby universe standards, with modern Kirby universe standards being a sci-fi setting filled with aliens with future tech living everywhere due to Planet Robobot lore.
- And the best argument is Zorah, I gave up trying to calc its age, this is my work so far. Its doppelganger, Noir Dedede, is clearly made of darkness, a darkness that should come from after that prior incarnation of Void, you know, first birthed "darkness" in the universe as the original ancestor. If GK was one of the heroes who defeated that Void, then his time is older than this. In implication rather than a decisive fact.
That said, it's not like GK was fighting day after day for millions of years. He was a hero, then problematic, then sealed, then time traveled to be unsealed, fought a while, sealed again, then he time traveled to be unsealed, fought a while, sealed again, and so on over and over again. The amount of time from his early days to the present kinda doesn't matter. Sure, it could even be said that GK has been "ceaselessly engaged in eternal battle" for "endless years" (KIRBY STAR ALLIES THE ORIGINAL ART BOOK, page 168+Morpho Knight's Jpn. pause description · Kirby Star Allies), but that's also just grabbing some poetic statements to make it look notable. For all we know, you could low-ball this and say GK could have been a hero for some years, fighting a few notable enemies, and then being summoned like 100 times to fight across time. It's far less notable when you put it like that, but it's possible with the info we have about him.
The only thing against this idea is that, being the Greatest Warrior in the Galaxy, you would think his legend is more shocking than what warriors such as Kirby and MK do in their life, right? Well, Kirby is not an average citizen in the story, he's a legend himself, known as Kirby of the Stars and the Pink Demon, known across other realities somehow. Kirby's legend could very much be larger than or comparable to GK's own, who knows, even if Kirby right now may be weaker physically. And heroes like Kirby and MK don't seek fame and don't need to report what they do, their deeds could go largely unnoticed by the multiverse. GK's legend could also be a product of his time, being a big dog at a time w/o many things to worry about when compared to modern times.
In short, GK is super experienced for sure, but I wouldn't say he stacks up to something like a notable videogame character with many appearances. If you have more than 200 notable fights in your life, that may very well give you more experience than GK. That is, unless we start being generous to GK, which is possible, but not something I would go with.
You could even be mean to GK and say that, bc he was always sealed again when unsealed off-screen, those fights don't amount to much. I mean I'm sure it was quite the fight every time he was unsealed off-screen…but I can't prove it. We can only prove he gives notable fights when facing Kirby & co., and Team Kirby, not everyone else he fights off-screen.
>"Constantly breaks out of his crystal prison despite it being designed to seal him away forever"
No, it wasn't. Unless it's from the novels and it flew over my head, I focus on canon. I'm sure it's meant to seal him forever, but nothing states it's forever. The seal is shown to last super long, as I went over above, and it re-creates itself when destroyed, which we know GK can break anyway, so there is that much.
>"Finally became canon after over a decade"
This is a meme and so may not be to be taken seriously, but GK was always canon in parallel worlds. Meta Knightmare Ultra I would argue is canon in full confidence, which is controversial to say.
>"His fight with Meta Knight was going to destroy the entire galaxy "
Discord links expire, don't use them. That's what would happen after the battle, not doing it, and GK would do so by destroying celestial body by celestial body.
>"Star Dream previously required the combined power of Kirby, Meta Knight, Battleship Halberd, and a Robobot Armor to defeat"
Oh no, no, no. That's the novel version, and there is no novel GK who one-shotted Star Dream. Games GK one-shotted Star Dream, and let's talk about how Kirby defeated it. The Robobot Armor's power varies depending on the user, having limited power on its own, Kirby's infinite power made it go beyond that level, allowing it to be a useful weapon against its creator, Star Dream. And this was the Robobot Armor with the Battleship Halberd absorbed. So basically, the Final Weapon/"Robobot Armor Halberd absorbed"'s power was equal to Kirby's own.
And what was MK doing? Was he adding power like the Z Fighters to Goku fighting Broly? No. MK was just on top of Kirby. That's it.
Again, in the novel version it was this huge team effort, in the game, it was only possible bc of Kirby's own power.
>"Can tear open holes in space which connect to Another Dimension, which fires a blast of energy from within Another Dimension, likely the same energy that pervades its entirety (Possibly Low Multi)"
I don't have words for when you guys use a fact from one continuity to mix it with a fact from another continuity to reach a certain result that could not possibly exist in any 1 continuity by itself. There is making a composite character, and then there is doing whatever this is.
Regardless, even ignoring that, even if the energy GK shot was from AD and not his own when making the rift, and it was this same enemy the novel talks about, the shot would not leave AD empty of all of that energy, only using as much as it would fit in the blast.
>"The ultimate enemy of all that is light and good in existence, Void Termina was long ago sealed away by the Ancients, and it is highly implied that Galacta Knight had a direct role in this victory over the Destroyer of Worlds."
Other than everything already said before and as something already implied, the ancients didn't seal that Void. 4 unknown heroes did that, and we know nothing about them.
>"Is literally called “The True Destroyer of Worlds”"
No, that's just the English localization. The title is actually "True God of Destruction". You know, the first thing about the Kirby series I tell you about in my blogs is to never trust anything in English.
>"The battle with Void Termina might have caused the entire galaxy to shake in the novelization (20.6 gigaFOE)"
That's poetic.
>"It’s stated that a Void exists within every dimension, with every Void stated to be the “ancestor of the origin” of all dreams, chaos, possibilities, “the origin and ancestor of all” heavily implying that a single Void is fundamental to the creation of all within the universe (Universal)"
See all about Kirby substances here: These are not the concepts that make up the universe. Substances are more or less the soul DNI and a form of power of the fantasy creatures in Kirby, even dream beings and soul creatures have substances. Substances are energy. Everyone has substances.
And a Void, being the "original ancestor", "ancestor of the origin", or whichever way you want to translate that bit, is the first ancestor of everyone in his universe. A Void doesn't have his own ancestors bc he is the original ancestor. A Void is not just the ancestor of "dreams, chaos, possibilities" as if we were talking about those concepts by themselves. A Void is the ancestor of the substance of darkness, the ancestor of the substance of dream, and so on.
Needless to say, being everyone's great great great great grandfather is not the same as God creating the universe. (The word "ancestor" should kinda give it way, no?) The Voids just left descendants. It's very special and unique on its own merit, and he can even use some attacks from his descendants and such, but it just has nothing to do with creating the universe.
That's what the prior Void was doing, leaving descendants with the substance of darkness. And there were no creatures with the substance of darkness before that point in time in the universe.
>"Destroyed a portion of the moon while fighting Nightmare (416.1 petatons of TNT)"
Nightmare got destroyed and that blew up that portion of that moon.
>"Is able to inhale hard enough to pull the moon out of orbit towards the surface of Popstar (829.8 zettatons of TNT)"
Stuff like this is new to the DB-like standards and worth calling out. The feat doesn't belong to Right Back at Ya! Kirby, it belongs to a non-canon version of Right Back at Ya! Kirby from commercials. All of those ending skits are gags and they all happen in some white void. Next time say at the start you're going to use non-canon skits from the anime as well, otherwise you kinda imply you believe these commercials to be canon and to show the real capabilities of anime Kirby. And I would like to believe no one believes that to be the case, but I don't know for sure, maybe you guys would dance around words to claim something like that.
"Efi, why do you care? Kirby is way stronger than these numbers." It's more of a principle thing. Furthermore, Kirby is stronger but his regular Inhale is consistently weaker, and the feat is all about that.
Fun fact, the devs have actually recognized that feat in this interview, saying as much: "That's really why we focused on Kirby's main skill; his ability to Inhale. He's appeared in TV adverts or promotional videos where he consumes a house or city or even the world whole, but we've never implemented something like this in the games before. We really wanted to experience this in game as a new power that has impact and that conveys the fun of the series, so we add the new Hypernova power." - Interview on vg247.com, May 22, 2014 The fact they that even say this happens in "TV adverts or promotional videos", and that they "never implemented something like this in the games before" goes to show Kirby is not able to do this. (Needless to say, this is not to say that Hypernova would allow Kirby to suck the moon. They could have said something to properly convey that idea, that would be a very hungry powerscaler-like thing to want, but they didn't. It just means "Hypernova does crazy wacky things, just like the adverts".)
>"Defeated Dark Matter/Zero"
Just saying. They are not a hive mind. That's something people out there say for no reason.
>"Took a massive bite out of the actual fucking sun(6.8 FOE) "
Unless the size of the sun was decreased via Toon Force. Also, if it were up to me, I would point out how this happened in a gag manga full of Toon Force powers. It goes to the point where Kirby being the main character canonically allows him to control the plot at will (Really).
>"Uppercut Meta Knight so hard he created a massive constellation (At Least Solar System)"
The "stars" are below the clouds in the sky, thus not being the size of real stars. You know, if we're gonna use real math to calc the joules of energy it takes to perform a feat like this, logical details like this matter just as much.
>"Defeated Claycia, who “sculpted” all of Seventopia, a dimension of seven different worlds containing a massive amount of other planets and stars within its space, as well as black holes and galaxies (Multi Solar System – Galaxy, Possibly Universal) "
Claycia is known to have struggled to build a giant clay ship and to repair a clay creature there, she also made creatures for Seventopia one at a time (Bastron, Hooplagoon, and Cotta's Figurine descriptions, and Secret Diary; "Our Favorite Hobby" · Kirby and the Rainbow Curse). It's safe to say she created Seventopia over time. Why would you ever claim she just poofs in the whole reality, and then it takes her more time to sculpt far, far lesser things?
Also, Seventopia is only Interplanetary in size. The final battle shows star system after system, with the star and its planets being comparable in size and super close to each other. The weird place gives no trust for its space things to be real-sized.
>"Defeated Dark Nebula, which may have created a mass of dark matter / vortex / black hole as large as a nearby galaxy (At Least Galaxy Level)"
>"Even if it didn’t create it, it and Kirby can both withstand being within it"
The old sprite game map just composites space things all in the same screen, things that may not actually be in the same space (Halberd, Popstar, a galaxy, a black hole). In the game's story, Kirby is in the Halberd, which flies to space, and then Kirby chases Dark Nebula to another galaxy…but then this game map shows Popstar and that black hole in the same space. Someone is lying here, and the game map being bs is super common. The Halberd is there too but ig it could have followed Kirby.
The first stage of the final Level takes place inside the Halberd as Kirby leaves it, which goes against that scene in which Kirby goes inside a galaxy, so gameplay could be abstract to what is actually happening in the story, something that gives a mean look at that would-be "At Least Galaxy Level" feat.
The black hole being the size of the galaxy could be true, bc the game map shows it as such.. sure. But you enter the stage and you're not in an actual black hole, it's just a regular stage, and regular enemies survive there. So no, there is a black hole near the celestial body where that stage takes place, but we're not inside it at all.
No other source talks about any of this btw, it would be notable for the villain to create a black hole or for his battle to take place inside one, but no. I saw some pages of a Jpn. guide over these events once, they don't say anything.
>"Drawcia Soul’s death lead to the total annihilation of the World of Drawcia, a painting dimension created and sustained by her (Multi Solar System, Possibly Universal)"
Drawcia is nuts and weird, old Jpn. guides could say anything making her Universal and I wouldn't be shocked at all. But as it is:
So, the game takes place in a place called the World of Painting(s). Drawcia and her sisters come from there, being drawings turned sentient. Drawcia turns interstellar parts of reality into a painting, moving them to the World of Painting(s). You beat her up, space warps, showing imagery from prior levels. And then everything is back to normal.
Is the World of Drawcia destroyed? No? Our goal wasn't to destroy things, just turn things back to normal. The World of Drawcia could be a sub-dimension, or a random area in the World of Painting(s) with a cool name that represents Drawcia's dominion over every area of the World of Painting(s) (now mostly filled by Kirby's reality). That's why her pause description says she rules the World of Painting(s), even tho the World of Painting(s) is more than the stage called "World of Drawcia".
The stage called World of Drawcia shows no stars, it's a space of unknown size. It is the World of Painting(s) with parts of Kirby's universe the thing that is is interstellar in size.
>"Defeated Chaos Elfilis, which is superior to Soul Elfilis, which created an entire psychic dimension using its own energy (Universal)"
You know, dimensions are not always universe-sized, and the smaller or lesser assumptions are the most likely. So they are not universe-sized unless proven via evidence. In this case, there is evidence against that idea:
Forgo Dreams is created from Fecto Elfilis/Forgo's memories of things they have seen. Ergo, for it to be universe-sized, Fecto Elfilis would have needed to have seen the entire universe. Which they didn't (I'm sure they saw a lot tho, they are an alien who flew across the galaxy). This is why we only see "isolated islands", their name, bc they know of particular areas, not the space in-between them. The edge of an island is thus the edge of what they have seen about the area.
Um, the place is also a lower dimensional space, being a dream, inside the New World, which is confirmed to be the name of the planet the game takes place in (not the universe). This is in line with the dreaming butterfly that can travel into dreams being able to enter it, you would think.
You would think Forgo Forgo was creating this reality over time as well, along how they were seeing things from memory. Similar to how failing to mind control MK created a Phantom MK there, Fecto Forgo's actions one by one were most likely loading up new things in Fecto Dream over time.
>"Can create black holes capable of affecting and rotating the entirety of Another Dimension(Low Multi, See Cosmology Section) [OG RTDL, See Before the Verdicts] "
The Black Hole attack was rotating interstellar areas of the reality we were on inside Another Dimension. That's what we see it does, it has no statements about it, so it's crazy to assume more. The statement from Magolor in Magolor Epilogue is from a stronger Magolor.
>"At absolute minimum, the size of the singularity was calculated by Death Battle in Wario vs Dedede to be worth 86 octillion tons of TNT at the absolute lowest lowball (Dwarf Star)"
No, they calc'd the portal in the background used to escape that reality. Not the black hole used during combat, which is not in the background.
Yeah, idk why they did that. It's a dumb mistake.
>"The Master Crown sustained Another Dimension, with its destruction resulting in its collapse (Low Multi)"
In VS Battles I had it explained like this "His defeat caused parts of Another Dimension to start collapsing, covering 15 or 16 universes in it; The power of the feat is comparable to that of his regular attacks."
All of Another Dimension wasn't collapsing.
It needs to be pointed out how the power of this feat is comparable to that of his regular attacks, otherwise, such a feat may not be indicative of it.
Something may collapse or change reality with your defeat, beyond how hard you can punch. I know this is a standard you guys don't use. Your ability to "sustain" may very well stand on its own, not having as much power as one's every attack and durability. And changed reality may act as if twisted and held together by hax abilities, but by nature ready to change back to normal by itself when left alone. You see space acting like shattered glass all the time, but never as something bent returning to its original form on its own? Why don't you guys make a page about it to see how well it holds up to scrutiny? But I digress, the crown's feat is fully accurate in so far as it makes it collapse 15 or 16 universes and applies to AP and durability.
Side note, I could argue AD has infinite universes. If I wanted to.
>"Magolor survived the collapse of Another Dimension without the Crown (Low Multi, Debatable, See before the Verdicts)"
You guys also have this standard in which if anything big gets destroyed, every human-sized area of it is getting punched with as much force as what it takes to destroy the whole thing, which is insane. The collapse as a whole is Low Multiverse lv. It wasn't caused by a bomb where Magolor was. Any Waddle Dee and such surviving it does not have Low Multiverse lv durability as well, the collapse was causing different types of chaos around the universes affected (Shattered space, Dimension Walls, gravity being turned off, everything turning black & white, and a portal opening up to some afterlife-like dimensions[?]). Magolor was in the center of this but being in the center didn't mean he had to endure anything that would expand Low Multi damage against his body.
>"Magolor was able to fight against the manifestation of the Master Crown on his own, and overcome and defeat its power on his own. "
His own power that he gained by stealing power from the Master Crown. That was what those Magic Points were. And the Red Fruit helped too. Again, see his profile on VS Battles wiki, it's all there.
That was no "manifestation of the Master Crown", that is the Master Crown. That's why it's called "Master Crown". The tree body is possessed by the reborn Master Crown, and the gold stuff is the Master Crown.
>"Magolor without the crown was able to increase his power so much, that he theorized that his black holes could have enough power to absorb the entirety of Another Dimension(Low Multi, See Cosmology Section)"
>"That being said, Return to Dreamland Deluxe, the Switch remake, has an interesting statement after maxing out Magolor’s black hole power in Magolor Epilogue: The Interdimensional Traveler, Magolor theorizes he could suck in all of Another Dimension. "
This is the error in this blog with the most repercussions. Everybody buys this w/o doing their own research. If I had a dollar for every time I told someone how bs this was, I would have like 5 dollars.
Do you guys see my Another Dimension blog? Have you seen the very first section titled "Naming" going over what is Another Dimension called in Japanese?
Another Dimension is called in a few ways. It's not random, it's always "ikuukan" or something that sounds like "another dimension" with different types of writing. Point is, Another Dimension is the name of a special place, it's not just "another reality", "other universe", or any random synonyms you could use to talk about some other reality.
Magolor says his Black Hole can suck up an alternate dimension. He uses ベツジゲン (betsujigen), which has never been used to refer to Another Dimension. This is like having a character named Lion, having a character who says they can kill a lion (the animal), and now you argue that means they can kill the character named Leon, bc you believe every use of "lion" and synonyms must refer to the character Lion. Probably bc Lion is super powerful and so you couldn't help yourself, otherwise such a mistake would have never been made.
You even use the same screenshot of Magolor saying that statement with his eyes closed I took to source it, so you must have seen how I translated it and how I lay down the original Jpn. letters of what he's saying for people to try their own translations, which you don't do (suspicious, and bad practice). Why would you think I would have missed a mention of Another Dimension after all the translations I made? Not to sound full of myself, but you guys always use all my Kirby research all the time (which is always fine by me). Why not ask me? I respond to questions for free.
I just can't get over this, at any point there should have been a click with anyone thinking "Wait, could it be this doesn't refer to Another Dimension? Why did these other people believe it wasn't Another Dimension? Can I prove it's Another Dimension?"
In the blog, you guys show being very aware of the naming discrepancy Another Dimension has, it's as if that was performative to sell authenticity. Respectfully, it seems impossible for such a mistake to be made w/o some serious bad apples on your team. Why is your evidence of this being Another Dimension some random person baiting a poor random translator to say ベツジゲン means Another Dimension on Reddit? Clearly the translator doesn't know anything about Another Dimension's naming discrepancy in Kirby.
>"Speed would be incredibly fast to do so in a short time frame (857.26 quadrillion – 1.3 quintillion times FTL) "
This is a standard you guys have that doesn't make sense, let me explain:
A universes expands infinitely. That's why the universe is infinite, not bc it is High Universe lv in size, but bc of its endless ability to grow. The space between universes would be infinite bc they would always grow in size infinitely w/o ever colliding with each other. This feat, if true (which it isn't), would be infinitely faster.
Likewise many other feats covered by you may be infinitely faster or more potent so long as they fully cover the space between universes. Many times in Vs, people try to slip feats in which the space between universes is not involved at all as if they were all the same as feats in which the space between universes is involved, but those feats are much weaker. Many times those people may be successful, even in popular verses, but that's just bc the standards have lowered over time.
It's a controversial thing to say, so think about it.
>"Sectonia destroyed all of Floralia in a single thrust of a stamp attached to her staff"
Is Floralia just her castle in the manga? It's a whole continent made of many islands in the games, pretty such it's at least a kingdom beyond that castle in the manga as well.
>"Necrodeus is highly implied to be the creator of the Sun Stones, items that transform the sun’s light into jewels to “rob Floralia of its light”"
I believed this once. Turns out, the one implied to this is Sectonia. The feat was always meaningless anyway. I'm just gonna leave this image here:
>"The Denizens of Dream Land were able to project their “hearts” to the edge of the galaxy to help defeat Void Termina, with it being described as “jumping out into space” to do so (631 million – 3.2 trillion times FTL)"
>"Kirby, Meta Knight, Dedede and Bandana Dee fly alongside them"
It pains me to correct things from the light novels again. The evidence against this is right there:
This is a mysterious occurrence in which the characters don't know what is happening for sure, but they throw some ideas and narration is surely not lying. Narration says, "Did the mysterious power of the Star Allies Sparkler call them here?" So the denizens of Dream Land didn't project their "hearts", the Star Allies Sparkler summoned their "hearts". It shows the attack speed in which it can summon "hearts".
Then it says "Kirby raised his face. He was tired, but he was getting stronger. Everyone was sharing their power", this shows how Kirby was boosted by these hearts. And MK, DDD, and Bandana Dee don't fly separately from Kirby, being on his tail. Not like they weren't presumably boosted as well. The idea that team work boosts you is present in the prequel novel and this novel (and the games), with this being an extension of the same.
Then the novel points out about the creatures of Popstar "Each one was a small creature. Their power alone would never reach Void Termina. However, their united hearts held infinite power." This was talking about AP rather than speed, but there is no reason as to why it wouldn't apply to speed as well when they performed the feat while boosted.
Later one of those creatures says "It's impossible to just jump out into space and come back in an instant!" which could go in line with what I was saying, if it's not like they can all fly there by themselves as well.
In short, what the feat means is that the Star Allies Sparkler can summon the hearts this fast, and they can empower Kirby & co. to move this fast to save the galaxy. Kirby may even be slower than the hearts, with the hearts needing to wait for Kirby to reach VT to attack all as one. But sure, the empowered Kirby shows being just as fast.
>"Ribbon and 3 Dark Matter goons were able to fly from Ripple Star to Popstar in 7 seconds (3.6 trillion times FTL)"
Turns out we were all wrong and those are not Dark Matter. See here, really.
>"Kirby’s cosmology is simultaneously simple, but mildly complex to understand because of a multitude of factors, ranging from strange naming conventions, Nintendo of America localization failures, key context being contained within Japanese only novels [...]"
The novels are not canon. They were made by a guy who writes novels for many series who has nothing to do with HAL. He constantly makes notable things different, and even constantly writes himself into a wall by making things different in the novels than how things are in the games, then being forced to change things like how they are in the games bc the novel he is covering demands it. Yes, HAL throws him a bone from time to time. But that's it. Many things being in line with how they are in the games doesn't matter when so many things go against the games.
>"It’s rather common knowledge that Kirby’s world isn’t the only one out there. Games like Kirby & The Amazing Mirror, Return to Dreamland, and even Epic Yarn have made it quite clear that there are plenty of worlds and dimensions out there. "
>"First off, there’s the obvious dimensions. These are places that we’ve seen and been to throughout Kirby’s adventures, and are pretty well known already. Halcandra, the Mirror World, Patch Land, Seventopia, you get the idea. These are all very clear cut alternate dimensions, and Kirby’s journeys through each are rather well documented. "
>"Patch Land (Kirby’s Epic Yarn)"
Patch Land is a planet visible from Planet Popstar. It's not another reality. Making it a full-on universe-sized reality must be the Netflix adaptation or something.
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| Kirby and Prince Fluff throw Yin-Yarn from Planet Popstar into Patch Land at the end of the game. • Kirby's Epic Yarn |
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| Prince Fluff returns to Patch Land from Planet Popstar (x2 speed) • Kirby's Epic Yarn |
Really, you can see the latter cutscene in the very video you link. Is the standard you use that every reality ever gets to be a universe no matter how goofy or fantasy-like, unless stated to be smaller? You guys should make a page laying down what standards you use to refer back to it. It's easier to see how something is dogmatic when you lay down the standards out loud in a way that they inevitably fail scrutiny.
I like the VS Battles "Universe" page, I follow standards like that (Not that we get everything right).
>"Taking into account the various levels and dimensions Kirby & company can journey through in Return to Dreamland, Heroes in Another Dimension, and Magolor Epilogue, you could potentially add an extra 27 to the tally. 16 for the Another Dimension segments in Return to Dreamland, 5 for the dimensions in Heroes in Another Dimension, and another 6 for the worlds in Magolor Epilogue."
I don't buy for a second the dimensions in Magolor Epilogue are universe-sized, see here ("Size problem").
>"Interestingly, one traveling through space and time within Another Dimension can actually pass by themselves traveling through a different point in time, as it’s noted that the Lor Starcutter is capable of passing by itself. Functionally, this would mean that Another Dimension would exist at all points in time. If it’s destroyed in the past, such as at the end of Return to Dreamland, it would still exist in the future, as seen in its appearance in Star Allies."
This is ridiculously wrong. The statement is talking about Lor using time travel to meet with itself in any reality, not just Another Dimension, as something that can be done with any time travel ever in fiction. It's not like the Lor is still inside Another Dimension when it finishes to time travel into another era where it meets itself. Another Dimension doesn't exist in all points in time in any other way than you and me. It allows time travel bc it was special time. That's it.
It wasn't fully destroyed in Return to Dream Land (Deluxe), only 15 or 16 universes were. Heck, even when just basing things on feelings, most likely more universes were destroyed that we don't know about, but even then, "more" is not the same as "all of them".
The universes were fixed via Energy Spheres by defeating Sphere Doomers, which is shown to restore the colors around space (and warp some super tiny stars away once) and implied to fix how the whole universe we're present on was consumed minus the area where we are per fight with the Sphere Doomers.
I already linked the explanation of the Master Crown's feat, so no need to go over this. Just read that.
>"Kirby is approximately 8 inches tall according to official sources. However as of Forgotten Land there seems to have been a possible retcon. Blog wise we are going with the most recent game size, so we will be considering the larger height of Kirby. "
No, Kirby is 20 cm by Jpn. sources, which American sources say it's 8 inches. Many, many sources state this. In Forgotten Land, a single background element would imply otherwise if measured with Kirby, but the setting in Forgotten Land is inconsistent in scale next to Kirby in general.
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| Clearly, these ducks Kirby helps from time to time are the size of the humans too. |
The setting is generally scaled down for gameplay. Also don't just use some stranger's claim on Twitter as evidence. Do you guys do that in school projects too?
Heck, let's say Kirby is now bigger in Forgotten Land (which is wrong): There is even a reasonable explanation for this that does not contradict 30 years of statements. Kirby came to this world via a portal made by Fecto Forgo, when their full form can use those same portals to grow the size of their lance, and shrink it back to normal when returned, as shown in battle. So boom, the would-be bigger Kirby was just bigger in the New World.
Btw ever since the original blog came out, Kirby Air Riders (2025) was released, which uses the same a mph speed meter to measure the real speeds of the vehicles in-gameplay when compared to a 20 cm Kirby, as Sakurai said in a video for the original Kirby Air Ride (2003).
>"A large reason it was argued as universe wide was due to Hyness stating “We are the masters of a power driven to the far reaches of the universe…”, which would be argued to mean that they were on the far edge of the universe when the heart broke. "
But see here my rundown of this topic.
>"It affects the background which includes stars, so it’s likely affecting at least a full universe."
I wonder what does it take to be just interstellar in range just like it's shown in your eyes. Again, the smaller assumptions or claim with the least assumptions are the more likely.
>"Magolor’s statement about sucking in Another Dimension also mainly refers to his black hole in Magolor’s epilogue. While it is reasonable to assume his black hole in his boss fight is doing the same thing with the statement, applying a Switch statement to a black hole of a Wii version that’s dramatically different is obviously a bit questionable. Some of our blog members are divided on this, so we decided to label the Wii feat sucking in all of Another Dimension as debatable, however the Switch feat should be fine to use regardless. Readers are free to come to their own conclusions on which feat to use."
>"Magolor Soul is stronger than Magolor, so the comparison is fair. "
Magolor Epilogue Magolor was stronger than Extra Mode Magolor Soul. See his profile in VS Battles wiki, it's all there.
>"To summarize it, AD is not shown to collapse in other of its appearances, and the collapse in the Sphere Doomer Stages likely had a trigger, that being the Crown. "
No, we time travel into the future during those areas. Hence the collapse is happening there. Please read the blog well.
>"In Star Allies, Void Termina can create up to 4 Master Crowns at once and have them fire their energy in a single beam at Kirby and company. Given Kirby characters likely get stronger overtime, the argument is that the crowns can work as in-universe multipliers. A single crown scales to all of AD (43 universe bare minimum), Galacta Knight would be 4 times stronger than value scaling to Star Allies Kirby."
You see, this is the strongest version of VT from side content. We don't know how much stronger he is. Kirby & co. defeated the regular VT, who cannot do this, and we don't know how much weaker he is.
Thing is, basically, some secret non-canon final boss in one game could be 5% stronger than its canon version, and in some other game some other secret non-canon final boss could be 500% stronger than its canon version. We don't know. For example, how much stronger is GK (Light) next to base GK? Idk, a little stronger ig. How much stronger is True Destroter of Worlds VT next to regular VT? Idk, 4 times stronger via the MC feat?
Annnyyway, base VT has better upscaling to the MC, you know. Read the notes on his profile and the Jamba Heart profile on VS Battles wiki. Motherf*cker's like hundreds of times stronger by using all the power of the Jamba Heart pieces by himself.
>"Why Use the Kirby Novels?"
>"In some versus circles, Kirby’s novels are treated as a different continuity, and thus not usable for the main Kirby canon. While there’s definitely some mild differences in the novels, they are generally very congruent with the games and their narratives, often being direct novelizations of the games that serve the purpose of expanding upon the narratives in ways that the games couldn’t, and generally giving more characterization to the characters within or outright introducing new characters. The locations are overall the same, there’s consistent continuity of prior games having happened within them, and the novels are all written with close supervision and assistance from the directors / creative leads of the Kirby series."
What are these "some mild differences" next to being "generally very congruent with the games"? Many, many different canon versions of a series are very congruent with the main canon. I could say the same of Archie Sonic. It's the differences what matter, and differences there are many:
- Bandana Dee was a low-tier during the Return to Dream Land adventure, not growing into a Kirby lv character until the Battle Royale adventure, during the Battle Royale adventure. At the time Nintendo made a remake of Return to Dream Land and the author of the novels had to make a novel covering its events, he forced himself to make it in its own continuity different than the rest of his novels for the story to make sense.
- Everything about the final battle with Star Dream is different, as gone over above. And Star Dream's size is a nightmare in the novel.
- Star Dream doesn't kill Haltmann during that battle, Haltmann survives the Planet Robobot adventure, when he famously dies in the game.
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- In turn, Susie can't have her Star Allies characterization of wishing to bring back the company of his dead father bc his father is not dead.
- In fact no Dream Friend appeared in the novels covering Star Allies. Kirby just used his Return to Dream Land PKMN team in the final battle. Most Dream Friends had their own mini characterizations going on in that game.
- By the end of the 2nd Star Allies novel, somehow the Jambastion people is now good and forgiven. In the games, the Heroes in Another Dimension story happens: Hyness still tried to destroy the universe after Story Mode, falls into Another Dimension, Kirby and all Dream Friends go after him, they fight, they fight transformed Mage-Sisters, Kirby & co. collect Friend Hearts and upgrade their Friend Heart ability, Kirby uses Friend Hearts that to fix the Jambastion people, and that's how they are forgiven...but even then they are still evil.
- The Mage-Sisters need a small space ship to travel across the galaxy. In the games, they fly by themselves.
- MK is an actual anti-hero, as covered before. You could even say he's evil, if barely. Games MK is a hero, far more pure.
- Kirby is implied to hold back and be unwilling to fight if he finds no reason for it. Games Kirby loves fighting and doesn't hold back.
- Kirby loses his Copy Abilities via damage, which is mostly a game mechanic in the games. In the Battle Royale novel the author had to bend over himself to explain how a Kirby with a Copy Ability could resist blows w/o losing his abilities.
- A doctor created the Kirby Printer Dedede uses, appearing around the novel and after Dedede's defeat, which was never present in the game Battle Royale. Battle Royale is a very story-focused game in which we see everything from start to finish, so all the differences in the novel are very noticeable.
- Team Kirby is 3 Kirby from another world + the main Kirby having being isekai'd into their world and time by a magic book. In the games, Team Kirby are just Kirbys from another reality.
I could go on and on and on. In general, the novels that cover games play out differently than the games they cover, and these are not Star Wars movie novelizations stated to be canon regardless of differences. The differences just mean it's a different canon.
Being able to capture the characters more expressively than the game and provide additional scenes the game wasn't able to show is still something a non-canon media can do. Ever saw statements about a life-action remake the og creators assisted on? They state things like that half of the time.
Don't get me wrong, that statement would have been good supporting evidence, but I use "supporting evidence" as the legal term; stuff that needs the proposal to be proven first to be useful, not standing on its own. Here the proposal ("The novel are canon") is false, so the supporting evidence is meaningless.
>"These sentiments could also be aimed towards the manga and anime being not directly the main canon"
Those standards are terrible. You just said a bunch of things so fast there are no time to break down the nuance of each thing said and how they are not as meaningful as implied. Again, please lay your standards down on a page, state what they are on their own rather than in relation to any 1 series, and it will be easier to see how they don't hold up.
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